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[ # ] Is Al Mohler for Separation of Church and State or Just Anti-Catholic?
October 20th, 2005 under Politics, Church and State, Baptists

I recently read a post on Al Mohler’s weblog that I found very encouraging. He was criticizing the fact (reported by the Washington Post)that the federal government plans to help rebuild parochial schools and catholic nursing homes in New Orleans. Baptists historically and in America have historically fought for the separation of church and state and I was proud to see Mohler say the following:

Government money means government entanglement.

He also quoted the Baptist Faith and Message’s statement:

The church should not resort to the civil power to carry on its work.

Hot Damn! I love it when Mohler agrees with me!

But then my skepticism kicked in. I wonder…what about…school vouchers? Doesn’t that involve government money? In an article in December of 2003, he stated:

Evangelical Christians should recognize the importance of this case[Davey vs State of Washington]. If the State of Washington is successful in its appeal, and if the Supreme Court rules broadly in Washington’s favor, we may enter a new era of state-enforced secularism that will make past controversies look pale by comparison. This could mean not only the end of school voucher programs, but a season of hostility toward religion itself.

What about Faith-Based Initiative Funding? Yep he’s for that too!

I knew it was too good to be true! Mohler doesn’t really mind government money! He just doesn’t want it going to Catholics!

Speaking of Catholics and separation of church and state. Read this compelling article about a teacher in a Catholic school that was fired for refusing to have an American Flag in his classroom.


Read the Comments

[ # 55 ] Comment from D.R. Randle [October 20, 2005, 1:15 am]

Initially I supported faith-based funding, but more and more I am realizing that it does very little for either side. I think it is time for it to end and the government to step out of the way, cut the taxes used for such programe, and just let privately-funded organizations do more of the work.

[ # 56 ] Comment from howie [October 20, 2005, 1:40 am]

Amen!

[ # 57 ] Comment from Marty [October 20, 2005, 1:43 am]

Holy Moly! D.R. and I agree! It’s a miracle!!!!!!

[ # 58 ] Comment from howie [October 20, 2005, 2:13 am]

That’s my job. Bringing people together. I’m a uniter, not a divider! :)

[ # 59 ] Comment from Bruce Prescott [October 20, 2005, 3:57 am]

Howie,

Thanks for calling attention to these inconsistencies in Mohler’s position.

Such inconsistencies may be inevitable when Seminary Presidents use their school’s weather vane to determine their theological positions.

[ # 60 ] Comment from D.R. Randle [October 20, 2005, 5:47 pm]

I find the charge of using a weather vane to determine theological positions a bit hypocritical coming from you Bruce, who believes in essence that truth is relative and must be determined for every generation. Mohler might be wrong on this political position but at least he is consistant in foundational theological positions of historic Baptists, which you are clearly not. BTW, what does his political views regarding this subject have to do with the theological positions of Southern? I will answer that one for you — NOTHING!

[ # 61 ] Comment from cks [October 20, 2005, 6:15 pm]

Bruce couldn’t get enough ad hominem attacks in at his own site, I suppose. He had to get some licks in here, too. The only time I’ve ever read positive comments from Prescott is when he’s congratulating someone else for being negative. Quite a guy, this Bruce.

[ # 63 ] Comment from Keith [October 21, 2005, 9:02 pm]

Regardless of what you think about Bruce, his point about the inconsistencies in Mohler’s position is quite well taken. If Mohler really were “consistent in foundational theological positiosn of historic Baptists,” then wouldn’t he have a consistent position on the separation of church and state? Especially since it is one of the distinctive tenets of Baptist thought?

Attacking the messenger doesn’t deny the correctness of his point.

[ # 64 ] Comment from D.R. Randle [October 21, 2005, 9:46 pm]

Keith, belief in separation of Church and State for early Baptist did not include taking the 10 Commandments out of the public places (especially when they are donated and not paid for by the state), allowing evolution to be taught without allowing alternative views to be heard, denying students the right to pray publically in schools, and requiring students to go through sex education courses that teach contrary to the parent’s beliefs. Remember that historic Baptist in America lived at a time when states were allowed to have official religious positions, but the federal government was not (Pennslyvania - Quaker, etc.). So while I do disagree with Mohler’s position, we can’t really know what historic Baptists would have thought about faith-based funding with any certainty.

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