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[ # ] Dr. Adrian Roger’s Death: An Opportunity to Attack?
November 16th, 2005 under Politics, Hypocrisy, Walking Like Jesus, Baptists

Dr RogersI cannot sit by and let my Baptist brothers be hurt!

I tried. I wanted to retire and get more work done. But when I see articles like the one I describe here. I cannot remain silent! An important Southern Baptist leader died on November 15th. Dr. Adrian Rogers was the former pastor of a very large Baptist church in Memphis, Tn. He also served as president of the Southern Baptist Convention. The Associated Baptist Press, which is an “independent” news source for Baptists that is usually critical of Southern Baptists, published an article about Rogers that included the following quote from moderate Baptist leader Cecil Sherman:

He was a man of enormous gifts, but I tell you what — I think they were put to a terrible cause,” Sherman, who served as the first coordinator of the moderate Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, said. “I take no pleasure in his dying, [but] the results of his efforts in other days caused me and many people great pain. [emphasis mine]

Here is a note I wrote to to Robert Marus, Washington Bureau Chief of Associated Baptist Press and writer of an article about the death of Dr. Adrian Rogers, former pastor of Bellevue Baptist Church in Cordova, Tn.

Mr. Marus,
I am writing you to let you know that I am disappointed and angry about your article in Associated Baptist Press yesterday about Dr. Adrian Rogers. I want you to know that I am not a fundamentalist Baptist with an axe to grind. In fact, I’ve been so hurt by Southern Baptists that I have been forced to find a community of faith elsewhere. I have also written many articles criticizing Southern Baptist leaders on my website. In fact, I criticized David Dockery’s Baptist Press article on Stan Grenz’s death. Here’s a brief quote:

That’s one of the real problems I have with evangelical Baptists, they are so concerned with “truth” that it distorts their understanding of what’s really important. This article almost came off as an apology by Dockery for having a “heretical” friend like Stanley. It seems that Dockery was afraid that if he just voiced his love for his friend, his evangelical brothers would have doubted his orthodoxy.

I wish your article had been so “diplomatic.” Cecil Sherman’s quote was not only inappropriate, it was downright mean. I’ve heard countless stories about Dr. Roger’s role in Southern Baptist life. At such a difficult time, I feel that however one feels about this role, one should demonstrate respect for Dr. Rogers, his family, and thousands who knew and loved him. Although, your article was primarily positive, Sherman’s statement that Rogers had caused him and many people “great pain” was disrespectful and is damaging to the cause of those of us who wish to speak out against harmful actions of Southern Baptists.

I am publishing this letter to you publicly at my website if you would like to respond.


Read the Comments

[ # 103 ] Comment from Marty [November 16, 2005, 11:49 pm]

I agree. There are times when if you can’t say something nice, then you shouldn’t say anything at all. A simple “we are praying for his family” would have been sufficient.

[ # 104 ] Comment from joe kennedy [November 16, 2005, 11:57 pm]

You should read my obituary over on my blog. I had trouble saying anything nice about certain folks who were bashing Kyle Lake (and part of it was spurred by the article you mentioned). So I decided to write my obituary. You’ll never believe who weighs in on my death!

[ # 105 ] Comment from Marty Duren [November 17, 2005, 2:46 am]

Thanks, Howie.

[ # 106 ] Comment from D.R. Randle [November 17, 2005, 8:23 am]

Howie, I agree with your assessment here, as well as with the Dockery situation. There is a time to disagree and to point out points of contention, but this was definately not the time to do it. I hope that ABP will see the error they made here and recognize their behavior was inappropriate.

[ # 108 ] Comment from gavin [November 18, 2005, 3:12 am]

the timing of Sherman’s statement is very telling of his intentions,
which to me, appear to be only to cause pain. good for you for calling him on it!

[ # 109 ] Comment from Big Daddy Weave [November 18, 2005, 10:23 am]

I’ve been reading your blog for months now. I just can’t agree with you on this one…

What else was Sherman to say? Adrian Rogers and his fundamentalism hurt alot of people. Sherman knows that.

While many lost their Church to fundamentalism, I lost my childhood home. Sherman was speaking for me and others.

Many of us are kids of professors who had to sit quietly by while the fundamentalist leaders like Rogers and others took over the State Conventions and the Baptist Colleges. Eventually, our parents were fired or run out.

Losing a Church is one thing (been there done that), but being forced to move 1,000 miles away from the small town I grew up in is traumatic. The Adrian Rogers of this world have cause my family much pain in recent years.

What did you expect Sherman to say? That Rogers was a stand-up guy? He wasn’t.

You often hear about preachers who get run out of town because of Fundamentalism and BSU directors and Professors who’ve lost their jobs because of fundamentalism. And you think - It’s just a job! And, yea sure it’s just a job. But we often forget about the innocent people behind the scenes - the families.

It’s personal.

[ # 111 ] Comment from howie [November 19, 2005, 12:27 am]

Big Daddy,
I don’t disagree with your assessment of the “takeover.” If you will notice, I didn’t really say anything about Sherman. I have been affected by the takeover almost as much as anyone. But, I think ABP should not have printed such a hurtful statement about Rogers. I much prefer Robert Parham’s approach to Bob Allen’s article.

Thanks for stopping in!

[ # 113 ] Comment from DP Crosby [November 19, 2005, 1:11 am]

Big Daddy! Sorry about your dad getting the boot for not teaching the Bible as the WORD OF GOD, but don’t blast a man of principle, passion and purity. I have been mentored by a man who has been mentored by Dr. Rogers and you don’t REALLY know what you are talking about. Try to grab a hold of jello and see how well you do. You will have the same experience when you view the Word of God as something that is not inerrant. Dr. Rogers has led countless thousands to faith in Christ. How many has your dad led to Christ? Really? Or did he teach potential pastors that there are some things in the Bible that are not really the Word of God? If I have overstated or not identified your particular issue then I express my apologies for assuming what your dad stood for or not. Dr. Adrian Rogers stood FOR the Bible as the Word of God. Southern Baptistis have historically (and by majority - otherwise this “take-over” could have never really happened)stood for the same. Those that have left the convention because they have not shared the high view of scripture that is necessary to have a true Southern Baptist ministry, should do so with the understanding that they have the right to disagree, but they should go with the same grace that Dr. Rogers exemplified to all.

By the way, if your name came after the band “Big Daddy Weave” then you should consider changing it, because I’m quite sure you would not represent their theology or manner of ministry.

[ # 115 ] Comment from Big Daddy Weave [November 19, 2005, 3:17 am]

It’s sad that your faith hinges on inerrancy. I’m glad you had a mentor. Great.

I don’t disagree, Rogers led many to Christ - it’s just what he did (with other militant fundy’s like him) in those smoke-filled backroooms that disgusts me. His un-Christian antics, agenda, and politics took over what was once a great Convention and has permanently changed it for the worse. You know where I’m going with this - and I know how you’ll respond. Enough.

I do, however, appreciate you taking a pot-shot at my Pops. But you can read a snippet of our story at the link below:

http://www.txbc.org/2003Journals/Nov2003/Nov03IHaveAName.htm

Good Day.

By the way, I’m pretty sure I became BDW before that band formed. Never even heard their music.

[ # 116 ] Comment from bws [November 20, 2005, 12:46 am]

” it’s just what he did (with other militant fundy’s like him) in those smoke-filled backroooms that disgusts me.
His un-Christian antics, agenda”

I can assure you that Dr Rogers was never in a smoke filled back room, and if he was in a back room it was on his face before God.
He was a man of the deepest integrity, with a great love of people, yes he had deep convictions he was not a deal maker as they wanted
him to be. A quote at his funeral was that he was once told that if he did not compromise they would never get together. His response
was we dont have to get together, there does not have to be a sbc, I do not have to pastor Belliveu Baptist if it means compromising
the cross of Christ. He loved Jesus and he loved people it is a great loss not to christians but to the world.

[ # 117 ] Comment from Marty [November 20, 2005, 11:34 pm]

Bid Daddy Weave,

I too have been hurt deeply by Baptist fundamentalists. So much so that I have left the denomination. But I have to agree with Howie, simply because of Rogers’ family and friends. They are grieving right now and for that reason alone respect for them should be shown. They are not responsible for his actions. It could be that many of them did not agree with what their loved one did . But they loved him none the less. You are still hurting. The pain of what happened to your family may never go away. But forgiveness is imperative if complete healing is to take place. The comments that DP Crosby made to you were extremely rude and insensitive and totally
uncalled for. Comments like that just keep the wound alive and festering. That’s what fundamentalists do. They question your christianity and salvation if you don’t think like them.

[ # 119 ] Comment from DP Crosby [November 24, 2005, 12:05 am]

Big Daddy

I read your dad’s article. For me, this is not about your dad. This is about what is and is not taught in our seminaries. 1 Corinthians 1:10 says, “I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.” (NIV - do fundamentalists quote the NIV?) Southern Baptists are known as a “people of the Book”. Historically and by majority we stand for biblical inerrancy. If a someone wants to teach or administrate at a Southern Baptist school then they sould agree with Southern Baptist doctrine. It’s really simple.

If they don’t agree with SBC doctrine then just teach somewhere else. “The same
mind and thought (or judgement)” literally means we are to be united in our belief and practice or to be united with the same understanding and the same conviction.

My intentions were not to “take a shot at your Pops”. I assumed that he did not approach the Bible as inerrant and I’m still guessing I was right.
I humbly ask for your forgiveness for offending you and/or your father.

As far as my faith hinging on inerrancy as you rightly suggested - what is yours “hinged” on? Either the Bible is the Word of God or it’s not. What part would you like to suggest is in error?
If part of it can be conveniently counted as mere philosophy or man-made rhetoric
then we really have a mighty loose faith that is grounded on how we feel at the time.

When you referred to Adrian Rogers and said, “it’s just what he did (with other militant fundy’s like him) in those smoke-filled backroooms that disgusts me. His un-Christian antics” - can you cite some specifics please? Generalizations and
outright accusations that try to demean a man’s character should be backed up by
specific references and quotes.

I am more concerned about people coming to faith in Jesus Christ than I am about
wether or not people liked Dr. Adrian Rogers, but I also believe that the Bible
is true when it says, “The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching.”
1 Tim 5:17 NIV. and “Now we ask you, brothers, to respect those who work hard among you, who are over you in the Lord and who admonish you. Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other.” 1 Thess 5:12-13 NIV
We should be careful when criticizing pastors. If you disagree with them that’s OK.
Just do it on their merits. Characterizations and name-calling won’t accomplish much.

If you believe that the only way to get to heaven and to avoid hell is through a
personal relationship with God and that that only comes through agreeing with God
that we are sinners, repenting from our sins, and giving our lives to Christ
through faith in Him then that is what is most important. I would say let’s
spend more time on the souls of men and women, because that is worth fighting for.

We just need to understand that what we believe about scripture dictates our
theology in so many ways. Especially the essentials. This debate will last for a
long time and in some ways we will have to “agree to disagree”.

I hope you and all of your families will have a great time of giving Thanks this
Thursday (Nov 24) and a Christ-filled Christmas.

Because He Lives:
DP Crosby

[ # 126 ] Pingback from Howie Luvzus » Blog Archive » Adrian Rogers Update [November 28, 2005, 9:37 pm]

[…] I wanted to update you about my previous post on ABPs coverage of Dr. Adrian Rogers’ death. I have received two emails from Robert Marus, the article’s auther. His emails were very polite. The second one was a personal Thanksgiving greeting. In the first one, he explained that there had been discussion as to whether the Sherman quote was appropriate. He admitted that there had been negative reaction to the quote. He included it because of the relationship between Sherman and Rogers and fact that as a news source, ABP provides various perspectives on stories that are relevant to Baptists. Certainly, Rogers’ legacy and role in the “takeover” is important to Baptist history and presenting a one-sided view would not make for good reporting (insert Fox news joke here). […]

[ # 127 ] Comment from Alejandro Tenorii Jr [November 28, 2005, 11:48 pm]

I pray for Mr.Adrian Roger, I was great pastor!!

[ # 204 ] Comment from Ladylansing [January 3, 2006, 3:24 am]

i cant believe what i am reading…if you truly believe in God…you will show his live by respecting Dr. Adrian Rogers passing.Shame on those who feel the need to disrespect.

[ # 205 ] Comment from Ladylansing [January 3, 2006, 3:25 am]

sorry for the typo…i meant show God’s love not live.

[ # 207 ] Comment from Doris de Colombia S.A. [January 5, 2006, 3:57 am]

Estoy segura de que el Pastor Rogers est con Cristo Jess, a la diestra del Padre celestial.
Le apreci como un hombre de Dios, lleno de amor y tolerancia.
Hemos de recordar que quienes no perdonamos, no podremos ser perdonados por el Padre.

[ # 280 ] Comment from Juan A Brarda [January 22, 2006, 9:42 pm]

Seguimos al gran hijo del Seor, en sus programas que se difunden en Argentina.
Del pastor Adrin Roger, y en la presencia de Dios,hemos visto en realidad y hemos profundizado lo que es ser un Hijo de Dios.
Dios sabe porqu l ya no est ms con nosotros.
Juan Brarda.

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